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	<description>Looking for reason in all the wrong places.</description>
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		<title>By: Chinese Democracy, Marketing Larceny &#171; Can someone please explain&#8230;?</title>
		<link>http://cansomeonepleaseexplain.com/2008/09/03/how-not-to-do-a-social-media-viral-campaign/#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chinese Democracy, Marketing Larceny &#171; Can someone please explain&#8230;?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] got paid for the promotion. And that&#8217;s the part that&#8217;s got me bubbling. After all, if 3-M stealing the Post-It Note covered car idea can get me annoyed, just think what Dr. Pepper&#8217;s public and parasitic theft of Axl&#8217;s [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] got paid for the promotion. And that&#8217;s the part that&#8217;s got me bubbling. After all, if 3-M stealing the Post-It Note covered car idea can get me annoyed, just think what Dr. Pepper&#8217;s public and parasitic theft of Axl&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jlsimons</title>
		<link>http://cansomeonepleaseexplain.com/2008/09/03/how-not-to-do-a-social-media-viral-campaign/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jlsimons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 02:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marrus, you put your finger exactly on the toughest aspect of the issue: how do you prove your creativity was more than merely inspirational, but actually stolen? As a creator of any kind, the minute you see/read/hear something that you gave birth to, you recognize it, regardless of the lousy wig and garish makeup. But anyone can hide behind “Wait a minute, I came up with that myself,” be it true or false. And then what are you left with, the right to sue a company with a staff of lawyers (or the money to buy them, basically the same thing) and no real way to prove it anyway?

I also love your comment towards the end of your post about people who brag about illegally downloading music. For me, it’s friends who download movies with Bite-me-torrent. Worse, after they admit it and I call them on it, some of them try and justify it with things like, “The studios are just raping us anyway” or “I’d see it eventually on TV for free.” Theft is theft.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marrus, you put your finger exactly on the toughest aspect of the issue: how do you prove your creativity was more than merely inspirational, but actually stolen? As a creator of any kind, the minute you see/read/hear something that you gave birth to, you recognize it, regardless of the lousy wig and garish makeup. But anyone can hide behind “Wait a minute, I came up with that myself,” be it true or false. And then what are you left with, the right to sue a company with a staff of lawyers (or the money to buy them, basically the same thing) and no real way to prove it anyway?</p>
<p>I also love your comment towards the end of your post about people who brag about illegally downloading music. For me, it’s friends who download movies with Bite-me-torrent. Worse, after they admit it and I call them on it, some of them try and justify it with things like, “The studios are just raping us anyway” or “I’d see it eventually on TV for free.” Theft is theft.</p>
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		<title>By: Marrus</title>
		<link>http://cansomeonepleaseexplain.com/2008/09/03/how-not-to-do-a-social-media-viral-campaign/#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marrus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 01:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This reminds me of Vigilante Advertising stealing one of my images years ago to use in a Mystic campaign, and when I said something, I was told the burden of proof was on me to prove where they&#039;d seen it.

I&#039;d painted the piece at least five years before they used it as a springboard.  It was on my site, on my mailers, on my business cards...

Take a look, tell me if I&#039;m crazy.  Just scroll down a bit:
http://marrus.livejournal.com/76926.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of Vigilante Advertising stealing one of my images years ago to use in a Mystic campaign, and when I said something, I was told the burden of proof was on me to prove where they&#8217;d seen it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d painted the piece at least five years before they used it as a springboard.  It was on my site, on my mailers, on my business cards&#8230;</p>
<p>Take a look, tell me if I&#8217;m crazy.  Just scroll down a bit:<br />
<a href="http://marrus.livejournal.com/76926.html" rel="nofollow">http://marrus.livejournal.com/76926.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: jlsimons</title>
		<link>http://cansomeonepleaseexplain.com/2008/09/03/how-not-to-do-a-social-media-viral-campaign/#comment-76</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jlsimons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim: Thank you for the correction and your comment. I&#039;ll fix my wrong facts in the blog post in a second. And as to the rest of your comment, I have to respectfully disagree. 

Whether Scott&#039;s idea was either unique or interesting, it wasn&#039;t the idea 3M was trying to copy. It was the viral buzz they were trying to co-opt. Once something has gotten the kind of volume of discussion and awareness that Scott&#039;s photos got, to &quot;create the stunt with their own car&quot; still seems to me like trading on Scott&#039;s work.

Beyond the buzz, though, if a photographer or an illustrator creates a piece of art, and then a company or agency creates a knock off rather than pay the illustrator, I think that&#039;s wrong too. It happens. But I think its wrong. If I decided to do what 3M did to a book or a movie or a song, it would be considered plagiarism. Although frequently, plagiarism seems to be okay in advertising. I just don&#039;t approve of it. Throw in the fact that they even offered to use his work and when he wouldn&#039;t low ball his price, they copied it, and you can&#039;t even let them plead ignorance. Intellectual property rights and protections exist so we don&#039;t live in a world of Berbie dolls and Mikey Mouses, walking down the street singing &quot;Barn in the USA&quot; in our Nykee sneakers. (Unless of course it&#039;s an homage, a sample, or protected legally as a satire, neither of which 3M can claim.) 

Thanks again for your comment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim: Thank you for the correction and your comment. I&#8217;ll fix my wrong facts in the blog post in a second. And as to the rest of your comment, I have to respectfully disagree. </p>
<p>Whether Scott&#8217;s idea was either unique or interesting, it wasn&#8217;t the idea 3M was trying to copy. It was the viral buzz they were trying to co-opt. Once something has gotten the kind of volume of discussion and awareness that Scott&#8217;s photos got, to &#8220;create the stunt with their own car&#8221; still seems to me like trading on Scott&#8217;s work.</p>
<p>Beyond the buzz, though, if a photographer or an illustrator creates a piece of art, and then a company or agency creates a knock off rather than pay the illustrator, I think that&#8217;s wrong too. It happens. But I think its wrong. If I decided to do what 3M did to a book or a movie or a song, it would be considered plagiarism. Although frequently, plagiarism seems to be okay in advertising. I just don&#8217;t approve of it. Throw in the fact that they even offered to use his work and when he wouldn&#8217;t low ball his price, they copied it, and you can&#8217;t even let them plead ignorance. Intellectual property rights and protections exist so we don&#8217;t live in a world of Berbie dolls and Mikey Mouses, walking down the street singing &#8220;Barn in the USA&#8221; in our Nykee sneakers. (Unless of course it&#8217;s an homage, a sample, or protected legally as a satire, neither of which 3M can claim.) </p>
<p>Thanks again for your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://cansomeonepleaseexplain.com/2008/09/03/how-not-to-do-a-social-media-viral-campaign/#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Scott Ableman&#039;s Post-it Note Covered Jaguar photo that was used without permission by 3M Post-it&quot;

Seems to me like a bit of over-reaction. And, they did NOT use his car photo. They simply created the stunt with their own car, design and photos as an example. If anything I think they are guilty of being &quot;also-rans&quot; but thieves? I don&#039;t think so.

Covering a car with stickies is hardy a unique or even interesting idea. If I were to try and think of a fun way to use these things for a stunt the FIRST thing I would think of is covering something. Car, plat boat, building.If you look at their contest there are many ideas that are either similar or the same.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Scott Ableman&#8217;s Post-it Note Covered Jaguar photo that was used without permission by 3M Post-it&#8221;</p>
<p>Seems to me like a bit of over-reaction. And, they did NOT use his car photo. They simply created the stunt with their own car, design and photos as an example. If anything I think they are guilty of being &#8220;also-rans&#8221; but thieves? I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>Covering a car with stickies is hardy a unique or even interesting idea. If I were to try and think of a fun way to use these things for a stunt the FIRST thing I would think of is covering something. Car, plat boat, building.If you look at their contest there are many ideas that are either similar or the same.</p>
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		<title>By: jlsimons</title>
		<link>http://cansomeonepleaseexplain.com/2008/09/03/how-not-to-do-a-social-media-viral-campaign/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jlsimons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s great, Jen. I love C&amp;H. I&#039;ve got to show it to my wife, she does too. I can&#039;t believe it lasted 6 days. Those villains! Thanks. As for 3M, it&#039;s like so many other companies with Social Media. Remember the fake Wal-Mart blogs? I think it shows their lack of respect for consumers in general, and consumers of social media in particular.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s great, Jen. I love C&amp;H. I&#8217;ve got to show it to my wife, she does too. I can&#8217;t believe it lasted 6 days. Those villains! Thanks. As for 3M, it&#8217;s like so many other companies with Social Media. Remember the fake Wal-Mart blogs? I think it shows their lack of respect for consumers in general, and consumers of social media in particular.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://cansomeonepleaseexplain.com/2008/09/03/how-not-to-do-a-social-media-viral-campaign/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting post, Jeff. It&#039;s amazing how some big companies just don&#039;t get (and refuse to get) social media. Also reminded me of another Post-it Note favorite of mine: The &lt;a href=&quot;http://technorati.com/videos/youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D0G22VaXmSAI&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Calvin &amp; Hobbes Post-It Mural&lt;/a&gt;!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post, Jeff. It&#8217;s amazing how some big companies just don&#8217;t get (and refuse to get) social media. Also reminded me of another Post-it Note favorite of mine: The <a href="http://technorati.com/videos/youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D0G22VaXmSAI" rel="nofollow">Calvin &amp; Hobbes Post-It Mural</a>!</p>
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		<title>By: jlsimons</title>
		<link>http://cansomeonepleaseexplain.com/2008/09/03/how-not-to-do-a-social-media-viral-campaign/#comment-72</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jlsimons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re welcome, Melanie. Theft is theft, whether it&#039;s a photo or a story or a car. Or all three. Thank you for the research and the data.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re welcome, Melanie. Theft is theft, whether it&#8217;s a photo or a story or a car. Or all three. Thank you for the research and the data.</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie Phung</title>
		<link>http://cansomeonepleaseexplain.com/2008/09/03/how-not-to-do-a-social-media-viral-campaign/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melanie Phung]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for helping to spread the word!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for helping to spread the word!</p>
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